February 2009 - Colgan Air 3407
On February 12, 2009, about 2217 EST, a Colgan Air Inc., Bombardier
Dash 8-Q400, N200WQ, d.b.a. Continental Connection flight 3407, crashed
during an instrument approach to runway 23 at the Buffalo-Niagara International
Airport, Buffalo, New York.
The four flight crew and 45 passengers were fatally injured and the
aircraft was destroyed by impact forces and post crash fire. There was
one ground fatality.
Night visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the
The flight was a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 121
scheduled passenger flightfrom Liberty International Airport, Newark,
New Jersey, to Buffalo.
Examination of the FDR data and preliminary evaluation of airplane
performance models shows that some ice accumulation was likely present
on the airplane prior to the initial upset event, but that the airplane
continued to respond as expected to flight control inputs throughout
the accident flight. The FDR data also shows that the stall warning
and protection system, which includes the stick shaker and stick pusher,
activated at an airspeed and angle-of-attack (AOA) consistent with that
expected for normal operations when the de-ice protection system is
active. The airplanes stick shaker will normally activate several
knots above the actual airplane stall speed in order to provide the
flight crew with a sufficient safety margin and time to initiate stall
recovery procedures. As a result of ice accumulation on the airframe,
an airplanes stall airspeed increases. To account for this potential
increase in stall speed in icing conditions, the Dash 8-Q400s
stall warning system activates at a higher airspeed than normal when
the de-ice system is active in-flight to provide the flight crew with
adequate stall warning if ice accumulation is present.
Preliminary airplane performance modeling and simulation efforts indicate
that icing had a minimal impact on the stall speed of the airplane.
The FDR data indicates that the stick shaker activated at 130 knots,
which is consistent with the de-ice system being engaged. FDR data further
indicate that when the stick shaker activated, there was a 25-pound
pull force on the control column, followed by an up elevator deflection
and increase in pitch, angle of attack, and Gs. The data indicate a
likely separation of the airflow over the wing and ensuing roll two
seconds after the stick shaker activated while the aircraft was slowing
through 125 knots and while at a flight load of 1.42 Gs. The predicted
stall speed at a load factor of 1 G would be about 105 knots.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "The National Transportation Safety Board determines
that the probable cause of this accident was the captains inappropriate
response to the activation of the stick shaker, which led to an aerodynamic
stall from which the airplane did not recover. Contributing to the accident
were (1) the flight crews failure to monitor airspeed in relation
to the rising position of the low-speed cue, (2) the flight crews
failure to adhere to sterile cockpit procedures, (3) the captains
failure to effectively manage the flight, and (4) Colgan Airs
inadequate procedures for airspeed selection and management during approaches
in icing conditions."
||Clarence Center, New York
||February 12, 2009, 2217 Eastern Standard Time (EST)1
||Dash 8-Q400, N200WQ
||Colgan Air Inc. d.b.a. Continental Connection flight
Transcript of a Honeywell 6022 SSCVR 120 solid-state cockpit voice
recorder (CVR / Black Box), serial number 97896, installed on a Colgan
Air Dash 8-Q400 (N200WQ), which crashed during an instrument approach
to the Buffalo-Niagara International Airport, Buffalo, NY.
CAM Cockpit area microphone voice or sound source
HOT Flight crew audio panel voice or sound source
INT Interphone voice or sound source
RDO Radio transmissions from N200WQ
TWR Radio transmission from the Newark Tower controller
DEP Radio transmission from New York Departure controller
ZNY Radio transmission from the New York Center controller
ZOB Radio transmission from the Cleveland Center controller
APP Radio transmission from the Buffalo Approach controller
OPS Radio transmission from the Colgan Buffalo Operations ground controller
-A First controller at identified ATC facility
-B Second controller at identified ATC facility
-C Third controller at identified ATC facility
-1 Voice identified as the captain
-2 Voice identified as the first officer
-3 Voice identified as the flight attendant
-? Voice unidentified
* Unintelligible word
@ Non-pertinent word
( ) Questionable insertion
[ ] Editorial insertion
20:15:48 START OF RECORDING
21:18:22 START OF TRANSCRIPT
21:18:22.8 TWR and Colgan thirty four oh seven runway two two right
at whiskey winds three zero zero at one niner cleared for takeoff.
21:18:27.7 RDO-2 cleared for takeoff Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:18:30.3 HOT-1 alright cleared for takeoff it's mine up to two thousand
heading two seven
zero after departure. here we go.
21:18:35.4 CAM [sound of increasing engine rpm]
21:18:42.3 HOT-1 check power.
21:18:44.6 HOT-2 and power checked.
21:18:48.8 HOT-2 eighty knots.
21:18:50.1 HOT-1 eighty.
21:18:55.0 HOT-2 V one.
21:18:56.2 HOT-2 rotate.
21:19:01.6 HOT-2 positive rate.
21:19:02.3 HOT-1 gear up.
21:19:03.0 CAM [sound similar to landing gear handle movement]
21:19:07.5 CAM [sound similar nose gear uplock and door closing]
21:19:10.4 TWR Colgan thirty four oh seven turn right heading two seven
zero maintain two thousand contact New York Departure.
21:19:15.0 RDO-2 right two seventy two thousand and over to departure
Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:19:20.7 RDO-2 Departure Colgan thirty four oh seven is seven hundred
for two thousand heading two seventy.
21:19:26.5 DEP-A Colgan uh thirty four oh seven New York radar contact.
climb maintain one zero ten thousand.
21:19:31.6 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
21:19:32.5 RDO-2 up to ten thousand Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:19:35.5 HOT-2 ten thousand.
21:19:36.4 HOT-1 ten thousand alt sel flaps zero. set indicated airspeed
two ten. climb checklist.
21:19:44.3 HOT-2 alrighty.
21:19:45.4 CAM [sound similar to decreasing propeller rpm]
21:20:08.9 DEP-A Colgan thirty four oh seven proceed direct COATE.
21:20:11.5 RDO-2 direct COATE Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:20:13.9 HOT-2 direct COATE.
21:20:14.2 HOT-1 direct COATE.
21:20:19.5 HOT-1 and NAV for me.
21:20:20.2 HOT-2 NAV selected.
21:20:39.9 HOT-1 wee this is fun.
21:20:41.7 HOT-2 yeah.
21:20:43.0 HOT-1 okay almost.
21:20:46.6 DEP-A Colgan thirty four oh seven contact departure one one
eight one seven. eighteen seventeen.
21:20:50.9 RDO-2 eighteen seventeen Colgan thirty two- thirty four zero
21:21:00.9 RDO-2 [sound of mic click]
21:21:10.0 RDO-2 departure Colgan thirty four zero seven five point
seven for ten thousand.
21:21:14.2 DEP-B Colgan thirty four zero seven New York Departure roger.
21:22:27.0 HOT-2 and climb checklist complete. I don't know if I said
it or not.
21:22:31.0 PA-3 ladies and gentlemen for your continued safety we do
ask that you keep your seatbelts securely fastened even if the captain
turns off the fasten seatbelt sign. we would like to add a special welcome
to our One Pass members. you'll be earning valuable miles for your trip
today. if you are not already a member of the One Pass program you can
enroll online at
Continental dot com...Continental Connection is pleased to provide you
with a complimentary copy of Sky Mall catalogue and Continental Magazine
both located in your seat pocket.
21:22:31.6 HOT-1 autopilot's engaged.
21:22:33.5 HOT-2 alright.
21:22:39.2 HOT-1 it's probably a good thing.
21:22:43.7 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
21:22:44.9 HOT-1 nine ten alt sel.
21:22:45.7 HOT-2 ten alt sel.
21:23:08.7 HOT [sound of double chime]
21:23:14.1 PA-2 we're through ten thousand feet.
21:23:24.3 PA-3 ladies and gentlemen the use of approved portable electronic
devices is now permitted.
21:23:56.6 DEP-B Colgan thirty four zero seven climb maintain one two
twelve thousand. proceed direct COATE.
21:24:01.4 RDO-2 twelve thousand direct COATE Colgan thirty four zero
21:24:04.6 HOT-1 twelve alt sel.
21:24:05.4 HOT-2 twelve alt sel.
21:24:47.2 HOT-1 eleven twelve alt sel.
21:24:47.3 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
21:24:48.6 HOT-2 eleven twelve alt sel.
21:25:14.2 HOT-1 have you ever looked at the logbook very much as far
as uh like putting
your times and stuff in?
21:25:19.8 HOT-2 um-hum.
21:25:20.7 HOT-1 * okay. I kinda * you just haven't done like writeups?
21:25:25.2 HOT-2 yeah I just haven't written anything in it but I've
looked at it and looked up
21:26:18.0 HOT-1 well I didn't write any numbers down so.
21:26:21.8 HOT [sound of double chime]
21:26:23.6 HOT-1 uh.
21:26:24.8 INT-2 hello.
21:26:25.6 INT-3 hi what do you think about doing service?
21:26:29.0 INT-1 actually I think if you could uh do something fairly
quick I think we might be okay. I don't have a whole lotta cloud cover
21:26:36.4 INT-3 okay.
21:26:37.1 INT-1 uh just be careful.
21:26:38.8 INT-3 okay.
21:26:39.1 INT-1 if we hear of anything-.
21:26:40.7 INT-3 give us a buzz.
21:26:41.2 INT-1 we will.
21:26:41.9INT-3 alright thanks.
21:27:08.1 DEP-B Colgan thirty four zero seven contact New York Center
one tree two point six good day.
21:27:12.6 RDO-2 one three two point six Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:27:22.4 RDO-2 departure Colgan thirty four zero seven twelve thousand
21:27:29.3 HOT-1 geez.
21:27:30.7 HOT-1 this I **.
21:27:31.5 ZNY-A Colgan thirty four zero seven New York Center you should
be with the New York Center on one three two point six.
21:27:40.8 RDO-2 alrighty we'll try them thirty four zero seven thanks.
21:28:12.9 RDO-2 Center Colgan thirty four zero seven twelve thousand
21:28:16.8 ZNY-B Colgan thirty four zero seven New York Center roger.
altimeter two nine six seven.
21:28:22.3 RDO-2 six seven thanks.
21:28:25.1 HOT-2 six seven.
21:28:25.6 HOT-1 sixty seven set crosscheck.
21:28:27.4 HOT-2 set crosschecked.
21:28:30.1 HOT-1 alright.
21:28:42.0 HOT-1 today's the twelfth right?
21:28:43.5 HOT-2 yup.
21:28:47.0 HOT-2 at least that's what you told me earlier.
21:28:50.2 HOT-1 well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
21:28:52.2 HOT-2 alright.
21:28:58.5 HOT-1 well that's good.
21:29:19.7 HOT-1 so where's this page here? I don't see any writing
21:29:32.6 HOT-1 interesting.
21:29:50.1 HOT-1 alright I'll give that to you.
21:29:52.8 HOT-2 alright.
21:29:53.7 HOT-1 fill out what you can...I'll sign it **.
21:30:31.1 HOT-2 it's Zulu time is the in and out right?
21:30:34.3 HOT-1 uh that's in Zulu time but we want it local time.
21:30:36.3 HOT-2 yeah local okay.
21:30:38.5 HOT-1 on here. so just minus five. sooooo let's see.
21:30:45.4 HOT-2 so nineteen forty five.
21:30:47.5 HOT-1 seven forty five yeah nineteen forty five...wow an
hour and a half taxi.
21:30:53.7 HOT-2 yeah. **.
21:30:57.8 HOT-1 oh that just- that just stinks...we can't reap the
21:31:04.3 HOT-2 I know.
21:31:18.1 RDO-1 blocked.
21:31:44.6 ZNY-B Colgan thirty four zero seven climb to flight level-
correction climb to one six thousand.
21:31:50.0 RDO-2 one six thousand Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:31:53.0 HOT-2 sixteen.
21:31:53.5 HOT-1 sixteen alt sel.
21:31:54.9 HOT-2 alt sel.
21:32:08.4 HOT-1 oops. you didn't feel that.
21:32:11.0 HOT-2 no I didn't feel that.
21:32:13.0 HOT-2 they didn't do a twenty four hour ice protection test.
21:32:15.4 HOT-1 yeah I just did.
21:32:16.5 HOT-2 you did?
21:32:17.2 HOT-1 yup.
21:32:20.5 HOT-1 that's why I was looking back on all those pages.
21:32:22.8 HOT-2 yeah.
21:32:23.2 HOT-1 it said it was miss- er uh you know.
21:32:27.3 HOT-2 yeah.
21:32:28.0 HOT-1 there uh there was one page there wasn't anything on
it. so it's like they
they tore it out in error.
21:32:34.1 HOT-2 oh yeah.
21:32:35.4 HOT-1 so.
21:32:58.1 HOT-2 just twenty four ice test complete? or write-.
21:33:02.0 HOT-1 yeah I'd- I'd put twenty four hour uh check's complete.
21:33:19.1 HOT-2 alrighty.
21:33:20.9 ZNY-B Colgan thirty four zero seven contact New York Center
one tree tree
point tree five.
21:33:25.8 RDO-2 one three three point three five Colgan thirty four
21:33:31.8 HOT-1 there we go.
21:33:32.9 RDO-2 thirty four zero seven fourteen point one for sixteen
21:33:37.3 ZNY-C Colgan thirty four zero seven New York Center roger.
altimeter two niner six seven.
21:33:42.4 RDO-2 six seven thank you thirty four oh seven.
21:33:48.0 HOT-2 I'm assuming we're only gonna land once.
21:33:51.6 HOT-1 yeah.
21:33:56.8 HOT-1 the only thing that um I would not do- well the type
of flight- I don't know if you can see it here. I'll show you.
21:34:03.8 HOT-2 I see. oh yeah I didn't know what to-.
21:34:05.9 HOT-1 if if you don't know the type of flight it is it's-
it's down here on the bottom.
21:34:08.1 HOT-2 uh-huh. oh oh okay.
21:34:10.2 HOT-1 just a regular revenue flight-.
21:34:11.4 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
21:34:12.3 HOT-1 fifteen sixteen alt sel. regular revenue flight is
21:34:15.2 HOT-2 okay.
21:34:17.3 HOT-1 unless it's a reposition or special ferry or whatever
it's something else.
21:34:21.0 HOT-2 [sound similar to sneeze]
21:34:21.6 HOT-1 bless you.
21:34:22.2 HOT-2 excuse me. okay.
21:34:24.0 HOT-1 um a- and this is just my little deal and it is what
I was taught and everything. and and it makes sense to me.
21:34:31.9 HOT-2 sure.
21:34:32.7 HOT-1 um on your two.
21:34:35.6 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:34:36.3 HOT-1 what happens if we have to divert to an alternate?
21:34:39.0 HOT-2 oh yeah that's true.
21:34:40.0 HOT-1 um I was told it was their little uh uh like superstition.
21:34:46.3 HOT-2 oh.
21:34:46.6 HOT-1 you don't put- you don't put it until you land there.
21:34:49.3 HOT-2 right right. no that makes sense.
21:34:49.7 HOT-1 uh but well okay. well you can take it that far. I
don't care. but it makes sense that if you have to divert someplace
at least you're not scratching through and doing all that kind of stuff.
uh but I still do the one landing and however many starts we have and
fill the rest of it out.
21:34:59.3 HOT-2 yeah.
21:35:06.5 HOT-2 yeah.
21:35:07.9 HOT-1 but uh other than that that's all there is to it. on
21:35:15.0 HOT-2 I've written- I mean I've written other planes up before.
just not from- with Colgan.
21:35:18.1 HOT-1 okay alright so you know like the one P or the two
P as you write em up
21:35:20.6 HOT-2 uh-huh. yeah.
21:35:23.7 HOT-1 write it up. uh and if you're doing one twenty one
ops you obviously know
as short sweet to the point as you possibly can um.
21:35:36.0 HOT-2 give em all the details that you need to give.
21:35:38.2 HOT-1 yeah but but also don't get too wordy with it.
21:35:42.4 HOT-2 right.
21:35:44.0 HOT-1 um and what I try to do is- is I'd look up in the MEL
21:35:54.7 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:35:55.3 HOT-1 to begin with before I write things up.
21:35:58.0 HOT-2 so you know yeah.
21:35:59.0 HOT-1 that way if I screw up and write it up one way and
it grounds the airplane
but it's not- it's not exactly or I could write it up slightly different
to get an MEL to get it back to where you can do maintenance type of
21:36:15.1 HOT-2 yeah.
21:36:16.3 HOT-1 it's it's a judgment call by all means.
21:36:19.7 HOT-2 yeah.
21:36:21.2 HOT-1 you you definitely want to write the proper thing up.
um you know I try to
uh uh get em to fix- I uh on the Saab we don't have glass we uh we had
21:36:37.7 HOT-2 right.
21:36:40.1 HOT-1 but uh you had a EHSI and uh a EADI.
21:36:45.5 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:36:46.2 HOT-1 I wrote up the course selector. course one selector.
21:36:49.0 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:36:50.7 HOT-1 uh because it wouldn't move. it was stuck on one particular
21:36:55.9 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:36:56.7 HOT-1 and uh wrote it up totally explained exactly what it
was and they uh at the
time there were four planes down. two getting line checks and then my
airplane and another one uh that had something wrong with it. they only
had four mechanics on duty at the time. so they were all trying to do
something. er I'm sorry they had four down I was the fifth one.
21:37:20.1 HOT-2 oh okay.
21:37:21.1 HOT-1 so they tried to MEL the uh the uh the autopilot system
uh because of the
21:37:32.0 HOT-2 yeah.
21:37:32.6 HOT-1 I you know I wouldn't be able to turn. and it's like
wait a minute. it doesn't
21:37:36.4 HOT-2 yeah.
21:37:37.4 HOT-1 so uh you got to be careful about that.
21:37:40.5 HOT-2 yeah.
21:37:41.2 HOT-1 just don't- you know understand the MELs that they
uh they try to put on
it make sure it applies to what you're doing.
21:37:48.3 HOT-2 yeah.
21:37:48.7 HOT-1 and the problem you're having. and I I called em back
and told em uh that
it doesn't have anything to do with the autopilot. well I mean doesn't
it do this this this? no it's- this is what's wrong or this is what
I told them before. ohhhhhh.
21:38:03.6 HOT-2 yeah.
21:38:04.6 HOT-1 ehh well can we just go ahead with that MELed we'll
uh get it-. well I'll
tell you we could go with that MEL but I can't sign the release. I guess
we'll have to get somebody to fix it then won't we. well I guess we
21:38:18.9 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
21:38:19.5 HOT-1 took em twenty minutes to fix it. they just had to
pop out a panel uh little
component put in another component.
21:38:25.2 HOT-2 yeah.
21:38:26.1 HOT-1 and it took em all of twenty minutes. it's just the
fact that they were
21:38:29.2 HOT-2 oh yeah.
21:38:29.7 HOT-1 they were trying to uh uh-.
21:38:31.9 HOT-2 save a minute here.
21:38:32.7 HOT-1 yeah save a minute here. get us out back and then they
would have time
to do it.
21:38:36.8 HOT-2 yeah.
21:38:41.1 HOT-1 but of course that turned into a fiasco. we were going
Louisiana that night.
21:38:46.3 HOT-2 oh yeah.
21:38:46.7 HOT-1 and uh let's do a cruise checklist.
21:38:49.8 HOT-2 oh cruise checklist.
21:38:51.2 HOT-1 yeah.
21:38:52.4 HOT-2 altimeters two niner six seven set crosscheck.
21:38:54.9 HOT-1 two niner six seven set crosscheck.
21:38:57.5 HOT-2 power set seatbelt sign on lights set cabin pressure
check. and well cabin
pressure. what's Buffalo at?
21:39:07.0 HOT-1 uh not too much. uh seven twenty eight.
21:39:08.7 HOT-2 seven hundred.
21:39:12.7 HOT-2 cabin pressure check and twenty four hour ice protection
cruise checklist complete. um-huh.
21:39:17.2 HOT-1 thanks. yeah we uh after they fixed it so- we were
already delayed. they
fixed it we were delayed a little bit more. no big deal.
21:39:24.0 HOT-2 yeah.
21:39:24.2 HOT-1 get in uh start up number two and we're doing the paperwork
and all of a
sudden we get bing. look- it looked- it was engine lookup light. I went
oh crap that's not good. I looked up it was chip detect. right chip
21:39:43.3 HOT-2 what's that?
21:39:43.7 HOT-1 what- what that- what that's doing is detecting chips
of metal in the engine.
21:39:48.4 HOT-2 oh.
21:39:50.2 HOT-1 and uh we were thinking aww crap. so I said grab the
checklist real quick
and let's just go through it. well in the chip detect abnormal checklist
there's nothing pertaining to on the ground. it's all pertaining to
in the air so I said okay shut it down. called maintenance they came
over they cleaned out a little filter screen. they said it was probably
carbon built up
blah blah blah.
21:40:05.3 ZNY-C two eight charlie golf climb and maintain flight level
two two zero.
21:40:09.8 N28CG two zero zero for two two zero two eight charlie golf.
21:40:12.1 ZNY-C and how would you describe the icing?
21:40:16.8 HOT-2 yeah.
21:40:17.4 HOT-1 they fel- uh cleaned out this little carbon screen.
did uh a runup check
observation. I kept everybody on the plane. told em what was going on.
man their eyes were you know they're all over here watching what they
were doing. but it was either that or they'd have to get bussed around
get out and bout the time that they'd get out they would bus em back
21:40:18.3 N28CG yeah we'll call it about light to moderate rime.
21:40:36.7 HOT-2 yeah.
21:40:37.2 HOT-1 anyway we started up ops check good. so filling out
filling out the paperwork. got the door closed and everything. it's
got a little whiskey hatch over here.
21:40:45.4 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:40:46.0 HOT-1 I'm handing the paperwork out. ding. #. right chip
detect- chip detect again.
21:40:51.8 HOT-2 ohh.
21:40:52.8 HOT-1 so I shut it down told everybody yeah we're gonna have
to get another
airplane. they had another airplane it was on a Saturday so they had
extra- they had spares because of the schedule and everything.
21:41:01.9 HOT-2 yeah.
21:41:04.4 HOT-1 um so uh twenty minutes later we launch and get about
halfway up there
uh over this one VOR and uh all of a sudden oh and uh uh I'll back up
a half a step. I was telling the-telling the FO this was like- I don't
know a month after I upgraded to captain.
21:41:29.7 HOT-2 oh geez.
21:41:30.6 HOT-1 I said you know uh uh all this stuff is just happening
to me. and it's- you
know hell the only thing I haven't had is is an air return.
21:41:39.8 HOT-2 oh God.
21:41:40.8 HOT-1 so we get over this VOR headed to Alexandria. ding
ding ding. that's not a
caution light that's a master warning.
21:41:50.5 HOT-1 and uh looked up avionics smoke detector.
21:41:56.2 HOT-2 ohh.
21:41:58.2 HOT-1 I'm going @ my FO cool as #. man should I get my uh
smoke goggles on
and everything. said yeah gimme- gimme the memory items. I'm- I'm over
here. I don't smell anything. the avionics bay is right behind the captain's
21:42:15.9 HOT-2 yeah.
21:42:17.1 HOT-1 there's a little uh fire bottle. little uh rubber kind
of cover thing that you can
stick the fire bottle into and blow it if you need to if you're actually
21:42:21.1 HOT-2 uh-huh...uh-huh.
21:42:28.2 HOT-1 I reach back in here and find it and uh I open it up
because it's- it's kind
of like a drainer in a sink.
21:42:35.5 HOT-2 yeah.
21:42:35.9 HOT-1 like over a garbage disposal. it's just kinda like
this. and it's rubber and
you can push.
21:42:40.2 HOT-2 uh-huh.
21:42:40.5 HOT-1 so I pushed it. man man I don't smell anything. called
the flight attendant.
@ hey do you smell any smoke back there? no. why? should I?
21:42:53.3 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
21:42:55.5 HOT-1 well no you shouldn't. I'm glad you don't. thanks for
playing the game.
and- and I just cut her off. good *. [sound of laughter]
21:43:04.3 HOT-2 nice.
21:43:05.9 HOT-1 she calls back well uh what- what do you want me to
do? I said naw
man uh I said I think it's just a false alarm. but uh I was just checking.
we just- we've got a light up here that went off. I said I don't think
there's anything to it. so anyway she- she was good with that. and uh
we didn't have ACARS- we don't have ACARS in the Saabs. so I called
Manassas on ARINC. I said uh so uh what do you want me to do? go back
to Houston? continue on or what? call us when you get on the ground
in Alexandria. hey no problem. so they're gonna do a road trip and change
the smoke detector out.
21:43:23.7 HOT-2 yeah...yeah.
21:43:48.5 HOT-1 and uh sure enough by the next morning- we were taking
it out the next
morning they had- they had come- they did a road trip from Houston.
changed the deal out. away we went. of course after that day uh we all
went to the uh steakhouse. we ate a steak baked potato and drank a messload
21:44:09.4 HOT-2 yeah.
21:44:10.2 HOT-1 it was just one of those- one of those days. yeah.
21:44:12.1 HOT-2 one of those days where you have to have a few beers
at the end.
21:44:16.4 HOT-1 that was that was a good time. I like flying the Saab.
if- if you upgrade to
the Saab- I mean if you have the opportunity to upgrade to Saab versus
the Q and you want to get your PIC time.
21:44:29.2 HOT-2 um-huh.
21:44:29.5 HOT-1 and uh you know and if that's uh you know a goal for
you I guess go
ahead and do it.
21:44:34.0 HOT-2 yeah. um-huh.
21:44:35.8 HOT-1 that a neat airplane to fly. it's not like this.
21:44:38.2 HOT-2 yeah right.
21:44:40.1 HOT-1 I mean it's taking five steps backwards but you're
in the left seat.
21:44:46.2 HOT-2 yeah.
21:44:46.5 HOT-1 it's- it's like moms SUV or minivan. you know the soccer
van uh you
don't have to fly with your hands and your feet. you just fly with your
21:44:59.2 HOT-2 yeah.
21:44:59.5 HOT-1 once you- once you flip the auto- uh the yaw damp on
and autopilot on
it's solid as a rock.
21:45:05.2 HOT-2 works the rudders for you.
21:45:07.1 HOT-1 yeah it works rudders for you. it's all coordinated.
21:45:09.9 HOT-2 I think it's fun flying with- with captains. not so
much any- lately but
right at first that came from the Saab and they'd see- they'd see the
rudder and they'd- aww # and kick it really hard and fling the plane
back and forth.
21:45:23.8 HOT-1 kind of like I did a little while ago.
21:45:25.4 HOT-2 yeah kind of but uh at first I flew- I flew with some
captains that were
doing it really bad.
21:45:30.5 HOT-1 really.
21:45:30.9 HOT-2 like knock the flight attendants down in the back.
21:45:32.7 HOT-1 [sound of laughter]
21:45:34.5 HOT-2 like I'd see the flight attendants afterwards and they're
like um who was
21:45:39.8 HOT-1 that would be that bonehead captain.
21:45:42.8 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
21:45:44.0 HOT-1 you know what? yeah I tell you I'm getting a lot more
used to it. uh I'm not
saying I like it any better but I am getting used to it.
21:45:51.0 HOT-2 yeah.
21:45:55.6 HOT-2 yeah I don't know what I want to do with the upgrade.
I'm not entirely in
like a big rush to upgrade. um it would depend on where I'm based. just
because having to commute to be the bottom of the list is gonna suck.
21:46:07.0 HOT-1 true and- and you know like you were talking about
as far as uh right
now your wanting to buy a house and wanting to have-.
21:46:13.6 HOT-2 exactly if I hold off- you know if it's a matter of
holding on a few months
well then I'll be making a substantial amount more money in the- in
the Q than I would in the Saab.
21:46:22.0 HOT-1 right.
21:46:22.9 HOT-2 depending you know how- how long would it be to make
that worth my
while. would it- would I make more money upgrading into the Saab right
away or would I make more money if I waited for the Q for a little while.
21:46:32.6 HOT-1 well think of it this way uh if you- if you stayed
on the on the Q obviously
you're gonna- you're not making the captain rate.
21:46:42.0 HOT-2 right.
21:46:42.5 HOT-1 but you may have a better quality of life to begin
with uhh with regards to
buying a house and having a schedule to where you you know you could
work around and you could be-.
21:46:55.3 HOT-2 exactly.
21:46:55.6 HOT-1 you know home with your husband to to take care of
all that kind of stuff.
21:46:59.6 HOT-2 exactly yeah it's just gonna depend where we're at
when that happens.
but I- I mean I'm not- I'm not in such a hurry to upgrade. I've got
very very very good connections at Alaska.
21:47:10.4 HOT-2 oh cool.
21:47:11.2 HOT-2 Alaska's the only major I'd want to go to.
21:47:13.2 HOT-1 yeah.
21:47:13.5 HOT-2 just because I don't want to commute my whole life...so
um once I do
upgrade you know once once Alaska starts hiring I don't- I mean I don't
necessarily have to have a thousand hours PIC. I need to have some PIC.
21:47:25.7 HOT-1 you don't have to with uh Alaska?
21:47:26.8 HOT-2 um it it depends. you you you do and on paper you do
but it just- it it
depends who you know. if you know people then you can kind of sneak
away with it a little bit. I definitely need to have you know the proper
experience you need to be qualified. but if I have-.
21:47:36.6 HOT-1 huh...sure.
21:47:40.4 HOT-2 you know if at about five hundred hours they said to
to go and interview
and then I can interview and they can say we want you to have a thousand
hours. so once you get a thousand hours um we're gonna put you into
ground school. they'll say stuff like that.
21:47:53.9 HOT-1 okay.
21:47:54.3 HOT-2 so I mean it depends and I don't even know if that's
the route I want to go
anymore...you know the more I think about it. I wouldn't I wouldn't
mind flying for FedEx or UPS.
21:48:09.3 HOT-1 FedEx is still big on military time and the uh and
recommendations so those two things- I mean that knocks me out of FedEx
21:48:10.5 HOT-2 yeah...yeah.
21:48:18.0 HOT-1 but uh UPS like I said I got my cousin that uh flies
seven fives seven six.
he's based in Ontario.
21:48:26.3 HOT-2 yeah.
21:48:27.2 HOT-1 uh not too far from where he lives. but uh.
21:48:36.3 HOT-2 yeah I wouldn't mind- you know I could even see myself
doing like I
mean for quality of life I could see myself doing cargo stuff and just
I mean like small stuff like there's a company that flies right out
of my hometown to Spokane Washington and back every night.
21:48:36.7 HOT-1 that's just-.
21:48:49.5 HOT [tones similar to ACARS message reception]
21:48:51.2 HOT-2 and I'd do that three nights a week and be home. I
could have kids and
raise a family. and I think that that might be more worth my while.
something like that.
21:48:58.5 HOT-1 yeah yeah.
21:48:59.6 HOT-2 and it just depends. I don't even know. I'm I'm so
in limbo right now it's
actually kind of kind of interesting. like I don't know where I'll be
in a year. I don't know where I'll be in-.
21:49:05.4 HOT-1 well just keep your eyes open you know and and keep
you know keep
listening uhh and and something will come across er you know you'll
know whenever it's time.
21:49:18.2 HOT-2 yeah.
21:49:18.3 HOT-1 I've gotta do this. I've gotta- I'm ready to move on.
um [sound similar to
yawn] excuse me. it's kind of like me. you know I started this this
little gig late in life.
21:49:28.7 HOT-2 yeah.
21:49:28.9 HOT-1 oh it's like it's a second career for me basically
because I- I was able to
take that package with Verizon.
21:49:34.1 HOT-2 yeah.
21:49:35.5 HOT-1 but uh...you know it's...you know do I- g- at this
point do I go to a major
and you know not be able to be there for very long.
21:49:48.8 HOT-2 yeah be an FO the rest of your life or...
21:49:51.8 HOT-1 uhh which- that may not be a bad thing as long as I
would be able to
progress and and uh and be a lifetime FO if you will.
21:50:02.9 HOT-2 yeah yeah.
21:50:03.4 HOT-1 uh and just and and dwell upon the quality of life
part of it or do I stay here
with Colgan and uh...
21:50:11.8 HOT-2 [sound similar to sneeze] excuse me.
21:50:15.2 HOT-1 and you know likewise do the quality of life. I don't
have to make two
hundred thousand dollars a year er a hundred fifty thousand dollars
a year whatever you know I could-.
21:50:20.7 HOT-2 exactly.
21:50:23.8HOT-1 I can certainly be comfortable on on a hundred thousand.
um you got
traffic out there just it's crossing left to right.
21:50:32.9 HOT-2 uh in sight.
21:50:35.4 HOT-1 but uh-.
21:50:41.8 HOT-2 um winds are at two fifty at fifteen gusting twenty
three they're using
21:50:45.0 ZNY-C Colgan three four zero seven contact Cleveland Center
four point three two.
21:50:48.8 RDO-2 one two four point three two Colgan three four zero
21:50:53.1 HOT-2 one two four thirty two.
21:50:58.5 RDO-2 Cleveland Center Colgan thirty four zero seven sixteen
21:51:02.1 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven Cleveland Center roger.
21:51:05.4 HOT-2 alright so it's the winds are at two five zero fifteen
gusting twenty three
and they're using three two and two three. do you want to use uh-.
21:51:11.7 HOT-1 uh two three.
21:51:12.5 HOT-2 two three.
21:51:13.2 HOT-1 yeah.
21:51:13.7 HOT-2 okay.
21:51:16.3 HOT-1 and flaps fifteen.
21:51:18.3 HOT-2 okay.
21:51:21.7 HOT-2 uh it's runway two three.
21:51:23.8 HOT-1 ouch.
21:51:26.1 ZOB Southwest six fifteen cleared direct to the Buffalo airport.
21:51:35.8 HOT-2 that us?
21:51:37.0 HOT-1 nope.
21:51:37.4 HOT-2 I didn't think so.
21:51:38.6 HOT-1 yeah.
21:51:39.1 HOT-2 [sound of laughter] I just heard direct Buffalo.
21:51:42.0 HOT-2 uh does this look good to you? um...we've got TRAVA
ILS two three
TRAVA KLUMP runway two three.
21:51:50.7 HOT-1 yeah TRAVA.
21:51:51.9 HOT-2 yeah here you go. and the EOA is in there.
21:51:59.4 HOT-1 thirty three.
21:52:05.1 HOT-1 try not to be dyslexic.
21:52:07.8 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
21:52:08.2 HOT-1 last time I flew in here two thirty uh- two thirty
three's the uh inbound
course. I put two twenty three.
21:52:14.2 HOT-2 oh geez. two thirty thirty three- no * it's runway-
oh it is two thirty three?
21:52:19.6 HOT-1 it's two thirty three.
21:52:21.3 HOT-2 runway two three. oh yeah no that makes sense. now
you got me confused.
21:52:26.2 HOT-1 well I- well I didn't mean to confuse you now. two
21:52:29.9 HOT-2 two three three.
21:52:31.0 HOT-1 and I'll brief it that way too.
21:52:32.6 HOT-2 alright it's two three three. [sound of laughter] we're
21:52:34.2 HOT-1 that's two three three.
21:52:57.2 HOT-2 alrighty and for the rest of that weather uh three
miles. it's snowing with
21:53:03.5 HOT-1 alright.
21:53:05.7 HOT-2 it didn't give me an RVR.
21:53:07.5 HOT-1 good...it's good.
21:53:10.9 HOT-2 that means it's far enough right?
21:53:13.9 HOT-1 yeah.
21:53:20.3 HOT-2 runway five then what do we have? one two nine two
21:53:40.2 HOT-2 alrighty your numbers. for flaps fifteen runway two
three are eighteen and
21:53:47.5 HOT-1 alrighty eighteen and fourteen.
21:53:49.7 HOT-2 we have to go around it's gonna be twenty five and
21:54:06.7 HOT-2 alrighty. I don't think we had any specials did we?
21:54:12.0 HOT-1 uh I don't believe we did.
21:54:13.6 HOT [sound of double chime]
21:54:16.9 INT-3 hello.
21:54:17.2 INT-2 hey any specials?
21:54:18.6 INT-3 uh no we don't.
21:54:19.8 INT-2 no specials.
21:54:20.6 INT-3 nope.
21:54:20.8 INT-2 we should be there in about twenty twenty five minutes.
21:54:23.0 INT-3 fantastic.
21:54:23.9 INT-2 alright
21:54:24.1 INT-3 thanks bye.
21:54:58.5 HOT-2 yeah I kind of like that I'm so flexible with what
21:55:01.3 CAM [sound similar to seat track movement]
21:55:03.0 HOT-2 * I have goals but I have such a wide range of goals
I don't know exactly
what I want.
21:55:05.3 HOT [sound similar to double chime]
21:55:25.0 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven Cleveland.
21:55:28.1 RDO-2 thirty four zero seven go ahead.
21:55:30.2 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven reset your transponder.
squawk seven- er uh two seven six two.
21:55:35.6 RDO-2 two seven six two Colgan thirty two- thirty four zero
21:55:39.9 HOT-2 oops I think I had two seven six two I think I put
half and half. two seven
six two yeah. twenty five and then I switched that one. oops.
21:56:08.0 HOT-1 it's just like we're in I don't know just just a light
haze or type cloud. I don't
know just we can see things out in front of us.
21:56:17.4 HOT-2 do you want to go down?
21:56:18.6 HOT-1 huh? ohh. I was thinking about that.
21:56:26.4 HOT-2 might be easier on my ears if we start going down sooner.
21:56:28.9 HOT-1 yeah we could do it. that's fine.
21:56:31.6 RDO-2 and Center Colgan thirty four zero seven.
21:56:35.6 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven uh say again?
21:56:35.9 HOT-1 get discretion to twelve.
21:56:38.7 RDO-2 oh yeah just can we get PD down to twelve thousand
thirty four zero seven.
21:56:42.6 ZOB uhh standby.
21:56:44.9 HOT-1 I got your standby.
21:56:46.5 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
21:57:07.1 HOT-1 we may have to wait for separation on this guy over
21:57:10.0 HOT-2 yeah.
21:57:10.8 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven cross BENEE at maintain
one one thousand.
21:57:15.7 RDO-2 BENEE at one one eleven thousand Colgan thirty four
21:57:20.5 HOT-2 BENEE at eleven.
21:57:21.3 HOT-1 tooo what was it?
21:57:23.2 HOT-2 BENEE.
21:57:23.4 HOT-1 oh BENEE.
21:57:25.4 HOT-1 BENEE at one one thousand.
21:57:27.2 HOT-2 yes sir.
21:57:34.9 HOT-1 yeah that works.
21:58:31.1 HOT-1 you know we had a a controller down in Houston. uh
he was known as
21:58:37.7 HOT-2 oh yeah.
21:58:38.4 HOT-1 guy was just he was- had a perfect personality for
the being a controller.
he never let anything rattle him. and he just all just all bubbly type
a type a guy. he retired- just to let you know how he- how well respected
he was um he retired and he had they published where his retirement
party was. there was pilots from Continental Colgan pilots Chautauqua
Expressjet you know the main carriers there in Houston.
21:59:09.2 HOT-2 oh that's cool.
21:59:12.3 HOT-1 they all went to go see you know Mister Happy and everything
that's where I got the bent wing pencil jet.
21:59:19.6 HOT-2 it's where what?
21:59:20.6 HOT-1 that's where I got the bent wing pencil jet uh name
21:59:24.7 HOT-2 he calls them that?
21:59:26.4 HOT-1 yeah it was uh Jet Lincoln instead of Jetlink. called
em Jet Lincoln and we
were Cold One.
21:59:29.0 HOT-2 uh-huh...oh.
21:59:32.4 HOT-1 Cold One nintey five sixty five you'll be following
a bent wing pencil jet at
your one oh clock. two miles or whatever it was.
21:59:40.9 HOT-2 that's funny.
21:59:42.1 HOT-1 either that or you're following the lawn dart today.
let's see uh if it was a
CRJ we're following the Barbie Jet.
21:59:45.6 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
21:59:52.2 HOT-2 the Barbie Jet.
21:59:59.5 HOT-1 or he would say you're following Chi-tak-wa.
22:00:03.3 HOT-1 [sound of laughter]
22:00:04.1 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
22:00:05.9 HOT-2 the guys that have fun and enjoy their jobs are so
much more pleasant to
22:00:09.4 HOT-1 oh yeah.
22:00:10.8 HOT-2 yeah.
22:00:16.2 HOT-1 College Station Texas was a a contract control tower.
22:00:23.0 HOT-2 yeah.
22:00:23.2 HOT-1 had a guy that worked in there. had an odd accent to
begin with. and uh
College Station Airport is uh owned and operated by the university-
uh the Texas A and M university.
22:00:37.8 ZOB Mesaba thirty forty five contact Cleveland Center one
two zero point six.
22:00:39.7 HOT-2 uh-huh.
22:00:43.2 RDO-2 one two zero point six Colgan thirty four zero seven.
22:00:46.2 ZOB nope Colgan thirty four zero seven you stay here. that
was for Mesaba.
22:00:49.8 HOT-2 oh.
22:00:51.7 HOT-2 I'm not doing very good by * tonight.
22:00:52.7 HOT-1 it's alright.
22:00:54.0 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven you still here?
22:00:56.3 RDO-2 yes sir thirty four zero seven.
22:00:59.5 HOT-1 sorry about that. oh anyway he would say Eeeeeeeeastwood
22:01:08.9 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
22:01:11.3 HOT-1 and he'd give us he'd give us same type of uh clearance
Colgan ninety five twenty six you're cleared to the George Herbert Walker
er yeah George Herbert Walker Bush Intergalactical Airport.
22:01:27.6 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
22:01:28.1 HOT-1 instead of Intercontinental. Intergalactical Airport
via the College Station
zero seven six. baaaseball Rice won. climb maintain seven thousand.
departure frequency is Houston Center one two three point seven. squawk
whatever you know.
22:01:36.8 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
22:01:47.6 HOT-2 yeah.
22:01:48.0 HOT-1 and I would try to read it back exactly the same way.
went in there I don't
know you know about three or four months before I left and he was just
all calm and quiet. you know I could tell it was him said hey man what
happened to that Eeeeeeastwood Airport information echo. he said yeah
they clipped my wings.
22:02:09.7 HOT-2 oh no. they didn't like him doing that?
22:02:12.3 HOT-1 I said well uh if if you need uh if you need any help
on that one you just let
me know who to call and I'll uh be glad to put in a good word for ya.
and he he chuckled. he said uh he said awww let it blow over for a little
while and I'll be back I'll be back to my regular self later.
22:02:32.1 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
22:02:32.9 HOT-1 yeah.
22:02:36.4 HOT-1 I just like the flying down there a whole lot better.
22:02:39.1 HOT-2 yeah.
22:02:39.6 HOT-1 see and and in the Saab in the northeast uh you * there's
no FMS there's
22:02:46.9 HOT-2 yeah.
22:02:47.5 HOT-1 and you're you're asses and elbows all the time.
22:02:51.5 HOT-2 yeah.
22:02:52.4 HOT-1 uh because uh you're flying the the victor airways.
the uh the VORs are so
close together and you're having to go to intersections.
22:03:00.3 HOT-2 yeah.
22:03:00.7 HOT-1 cross radials and all that kind of stuff. and uh it's
it's hard work.
22:03:04.8 HOT-2 yeah.
22:03:05.3 HOT-1 down in Houston y- you're more spread out. uh the flying
is a whole lot
nicer down there the controllers are a whole lot nicer. in Florida the
22:03:18.6 HOT-2 yeah Phoenix is like that.
22:03:21.2 HOT-1 man I- it's just all the pressure of all the the congestion
and the the volume and weather and anything and everything. the the
controllers uh they just it's like they uh constantly have their-.
22:03:38.1 ZOB Colgan thirty four zero seven contact Buffalo Approach
one two six point one five.
22:03:41.8 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
22:03:42.7 RDO-2 one two six one five Colgan thirty four zero seven.
22:03:45.4 HOT-1 twelve eleven alt sel.
22:03:46.5 HOT-2 twelve eleven alt sel.
22:03:53.0 RDO-2 Buffalo Approach Colgan thirty four zero seven twelve
for eleven thousand with romeo.
22:03:59.2 APP Colgan forty four zero seven Buff Approach good evening.
Buffalo altimeter's two niner eight zero. plan ILS approach runway two
22:04:05.1 RDO-2 two niner eight zero and ILS two three Colgan thirty
four zero seven.
22:04:09.1 HOT-2 *.
22:04:09.3 HOT-1 two niner eight zero.
22:04:11.6 HOT-2 eight.
22:04:12.4 HOT-1 and we'll expect two three.
22:04:15.1 HOT-2 yup.
22:04:15.5 HOT-1 and if you've got your charts handy I'll brief it real
22:04:17.7 HOT-2 IIII do.
22:04:19.4 HOT-1 **. alright it's uh gonna be the ILS to uh runway two
three at Buffalo. chart
eleven two twenty April oh seven.
22:04:28.9 HOT-2 yes sir.
22:04:29.7 HOT-1 got uh eleven three's the frequency set both sides.
two thirty three set on
my side I saw you set yours. uh glideslope uh final approach fix uh
glideslope intercept is at the-.
22:04:39.9 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven proceed direct TRAVA.
22:04:43.2 RDO-2 direct TRAVA Colgan thirty four zero seven.
22:04:45.8 HOT-2 direct-.
22:04:46.2 HOT-1 direct TRAVA.
22:04:50.6 HOT-1 oooh let's see I forget. do I do the do the first one?
22:04:54.8 HOT-2 I did the first one. it doesn't matter you could do
either one. there's no hold
in there so-.
22:05:00.6 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven descend and maintain six
22:05:03.8 RDO-2 sorry about that down to six thousand Colgan thirty
four zero seven.
22:05:08.2 HOT-2 cranky old guy.
22:05:08.9 HOT-1 six thousand alt sel. that's something I you in in
the Saab whoever if the
autopilot's engaged you know the pilot flying manipulates that #.
22:05:17.0 HOT-2 yeah...oh yeah.
22:05:20.7 HOT-1 I don't know why we don't do that here but we don't.
22:05:23.2 HOT-2 yeah.
22:05:24.3 HOT-1 alright well if you don't mind I'm gonna go ahead and
push her on down at
a thousand feet a minute.
22:05:27.0 HOT-2 oh that's okay.
22:05:29.5 HOT-1 uh continuing on glideslope intercept's the outer marker
twenty two oh six
that's fourteen uh seventy eight above the ground. DA's nine twenty
eight we'll put nine thirty in...it's also two hundred above the ground.
touchdown zone elevation is seven twenty eight. highest MSA's south
of the outer marker at thirty nine hundred north of the marker is twenty
seven. and ALSF two lighting uh missed approach is up to twenty three
hundred climbing right turn to three thousand via three hundred heading
uh on the uh two six seven radial to BUF VOR. and er outbound on VOR
out to WELLA uh which is DME twenty three point one uh hold uh this
thing'll probably do a parallel entry. uh we got the weather. bugs are
set eighteen fourteen flaps fifteen. uh off of twenty three I forget
let me look it up.
22:06:31.0 HOT-2 left.
22:06:32.6 HOT-1 oh sure. I'll do it left turn.
22:06:36.9 HOT-2 left turn.
22:06:37.6 HOT-1 first available.
22:06:38.7 HOT-2 I think so.
22:06:39.9 HOT-1 can I make echo?
22:06:41.3 HOT-2 um I think so.
22:06:42.9 HOT-1 okay.
22:06:45.3 HOT-1 we'll do it. oh #.
22:06:48.7 HOT-2 [sound of laughter]
22:06:50.5 HOT-1 going too far off.
22:06:55.6 HOT-2 yeah you can make echo.
22:06:55.8 HOT-1 *.
22:07:14.2 HOT-2 [sound similar to yawn] alright I'm gonna call in range.
I'll be off one for a
22:07:16.8 HOT-1 I got one.
22:07:18.3 HOT-2 * two five right? yup.
22:07:22.1 RDO-2 Ops Colgan thirty four zero seven's in range.
22:07:30.6 OPS thirty four zero seven go for Buffalo ops.
22:07:33.4 RDO-2 yeah we're just letting you know we're in range. uh
let's see here looks like we're ten maybe fifteen minutes out.
22:07:39.2 OPS we'll see you in about ten fifteen minutes. gate twenty
six. um we do actually have another Colgan turn we're trying to get
out uh because they have the adapter we need to meet you guys. um so
it might be just a couple minutes when you get here before we can actually
bring the jetbridge up to ya.
22:07:54.2 RDO-2 alrighty uh thirty four zero seven we'll be we'll be
ready for that thanks.
22:07:58.6 OPS thank you see you then.
22:07:59.9 HOT-1 is the other Colgan in?
22:08:02.3 HOT-2 the other Colgan's there right now. and they're trying
to turn him and we
may have to sit and wait for them to turn him.
22:08:07.4 HOT-1 yeah.
22:08:08.4 HOT-2 that's what she said.
22:08:09.1 HOT-1 how'd they beat us?
22:08:11.8 HOT-2 I don't- they must have taken runway two niner. 'cause
they- we we sat
there for like forty five minutes without anybody taking off two two.
22:08:27.5 HOT-1 alrighty.
22:08:41.0 HOT-2 alrighty **.
22:08:41.4 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven descend and maintain five
22:08:45.0 RDO-2 five thousand Colgan thirty four zero seven.
22:08:47.9 HOT-1 five thousand alt sel.
22:08:48.9 HOT-2 five thousand alt sel I'm off one.
22:08:50.2 HOT-1 I've got one.
22:08:51.1 PA-2 folks from the flight deck your first officer speaking
uh it looks like at this
time we're about ten maybe fifteen minutes outside of Buffalo. weather
in Buffalo is uh pretty foggy. uh snowing a little bit there it's not
too terribly cold uh but uh at this time I'd like to make sure everybody
remains in their seats so the flight attendants can prepare the cabin
for arrival. thank you.
22:09:10.6 HOT-2 alrighty I'm back on one.
22:09:12.1 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven descend and maintain four
22:09:15.6 RDO-2 and four thousand Colgan thirty four zero seven.
22:09:15.9 PA-3 ladies and gentlemen in preparation for landing in Buffalo
please be certain your seatback is straight up and your seatbelt is
fastened. please pass any remaining service items and unwanted reading
materials to us as we pass through the cabin. please turn off all portable
electronic devices and stow them until we have reached the gate. after
landing Continental Connection allows passengers to use cell phones.
I will make an announcement when it is safe to use this device. if you
plan to use your cell phone please ensure it's accessible since personal
items must be stowed until we reach the gate.
22:09:17.8 HOT-1 four thousand alt sel.
22:09:18.8 HOT-2 four thousand.
22:09:26.0 HOT-1 how's the ears?
22:09:27.3 HOT-2 uh they're stuffy.
22:09:31.6 HOT-1 are they poppin?
22:09:32.7 HOT-2 yeah.
22:09:33.3 HOT-1 okay. that's a good thing.
22:09:35.7 HOT-2 yeah I wanta make em pop. [sound of laughter]
22:10:22.6 HOT-2 is that ice on our windshield?
22:10:25.6 HOT-1 got it on my side. you don't have yours?
22:10:28.7 HOT-1 * [sound of whistle]
22:10:30.5 CAM [sound of click]
22:10:32.3 HOT-2 oh yeah oh it's lots of ice.
22:10:47.5 HOT-1 oh yeah that's the most I've seen- most ice I've seen
on the leading edges in a long time. in a while anyway I should say.
22:10:51.4 HOT-2 oh *.
22:10:57.7 HOT-2 yeah that's another thing. all the guys- @ came in
to our when we interviewed and he said oh yeah you'll all be upgraded
in six months into the Saab and blah ba blah ba blah and I'm thinking
you know what. flying in the northeast I've sixteen hundred hours. all
of that in Phoenix how much time do you think actual I had or any in
in ice. I had more actual time on my first day of IOE than I did in
the sixteen hundred hours I had when I came here.
22:11:21.0 HOT-1 [sound of laughter]
22:11:22.2 HOT-2 I'm not even kidding. the first day.
22:11:25.7 HOT-1 well that sounds- well I mean I didn't have sixteen
22:11:27.5 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
22:11:28.9 HOT-1 five for four alt sel.
22:11:29.8 HOT-2 five four alt sel.
22:11:31.5 HOT-1 but uh as a matter of fact I got hired with about six
hundred and twenty
five hours here.
22:11:37.6 HOT-2 oh wow.
22:11:39.4 HOT-1 uh.
22:11:39.9 HOT-2 that's not much for uh back when you got hired.
22:11:42.5 HOT-1 no but uh out of that six and a quarter two hundred
fifty hours was uh part
one twenty one turbine. multi engine turbine.
22:11:50.0 HOT-2 oh that's right yeah.
22:11:54.3 HOT-2 no but all these guys are complaining they're saying
you know how we
were supposed to upgrade by now and they're complaining I'm thinking
you know what? I really wouldn't mind going through a a winter in the
northeast before I have to upgrade to captain.
22:12:04.0 HOT-1 no no.
22:12:05.0 HOT-2 I've never seen icing conditions. I've never deiced.
I've never seen any-
I've never experienced any of that. I don't want to have to experience
that and make those kinds of calls. you know I'dve freaked out. I'dve
have like seen this much ice and thought oh my gosh we were going to
22:12:17.7 APP Colgan thirty four oh seven descend and maintain two
thousand three hundred.
22:12:21.8 RDO-2 okay down to two thousand three hundred Colgan thirty
22:12:25.1 HOT-2 um two three alt sel.
22:12:27.4 HOT-2 I've got you in pitch pitch hold. I don't know if that's
what you want.
22:12:27.6 HOT-1 two three alt sel.
22:12:29.6 HOT-1 yeah that's alright. let's uh- we'll do vertical speed
22:12:33.3 HOT-2 but I'm glad to have seen oh- you know now I'm so much
more comfortable with it all.
22:12:37.6 HOT-1 yeah uh I I spent the first three months in uh Charleston
West Virginia and
22:12:43.5 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven turn left heading three
22:12:47.0 RDO-2 left heading three three zero Colgan thirty four zero
22:12:49.3 HOT-1 left three three zerooo. we're in heading mode now.
go to blue needles.
22:13:01.2 HOT-1 but I- first couple of times I saw the amount of ice
that that Saab would
would pick up and keep on truckin'.
22:13:05.9 HOT-2 yeah.
22:13:08.0 HOT-1 saw it out on the spinner. ice comin' out about that
far my eyes about that
big around. I'm going gosh. I mean Florida man- barely a little you
know out of Pensacola.
22:13:09.3 HOT-2 yeah.
22:13:14.2 HOT-2 holy cow...oh my gosh...oh yeah.
22:13:18.0 HOT [sound similar to altitude alert]
22:13:21.4 HOT-1 that's uh thirty three for twenty three alt sel.
22:13:24.1 HOT-2 thirty three for twenty three alt sel.
22:13:24.8 HOT-1 let's do a descent checklist please.
22:13:25.9 HOT-2 do a descent checklist. altimeters two niner eight
zero set crosschecked.
22:13:29.1 HOT-1 twenty nine eighty set crosschecked.
22:13:30.8 HOT-2 fuel balance check. pressurization set and cabin PA
22:13:35.7HOT-1 alright if you want to go ahead we can do the approach
22:13:37.4 HOT-2 yeah sure. um approach checklist approach and landing
22:13:41.6 HOT-1 uh complete.
22:13:42.3 HOT-2 bugs set.
22:13:43.3 HOT-1 set.
22:13:44.3 HOT-2 GPWS landing flaps selected fifteen degrees. fuel transfer
pressure and quantity check. caution warning lights check seatbelt sign
on and external lights on. approach checklist complete.
22:13:54.7 HOT-1 rock and roll.
22:13:58.4 HOT-1 oh yeah- I'm so glad. I would've- I w- I mean-. I would've
fine. I would have survived it. there wasn't- we n- never had to make
decisions that I wouldn't have been able to make but...now I'm more
22:14:08.5 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven turn left heading three
22:14:12.1 RDO-2 left heading three one zero for Colgan thirty four
22:14:12.7 CAM [sound similar to engine power increase]
22:14:14.6 HOT-1 three one zero.
22:14:16.6 HOT-2 yeah.
22:14:22.6 HOT-1 alright let's see if I can get this seat...siteated...that's
22:14:24.7 CAM [sound similar to seat track movement]
22:14:32.7 HOT-1 still trying to find that sweet spot I guess there
22:14:39.8 CAM [sound similar to engine power increase]
22:15:06.3 HOT-1 flaps five.
22:15:08.1 HOT-2 what?
22:15:08.8 HOT-1 flaps five please.
22:15:10.0 HOT-2 oh *.
22:15:11.2 CAM [sound similar to flap handle movement]
22:15:13.5 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven three miles from KLUMP
turn left heading two six zero maintain two thousand three hundred until
established localizer. cleared ILS approach runway two three.
22:15:22.2 RDO-2 left two sixty two thousand three hundred 'til established
and cleared ILS two three approach Colgan thirty four zero seven.
22:15:31.7 HOT-1 alright approach is armed.
22:15:32.8 HOT-2 roger.
22:15:59.5 CAM [sound similar to decrease in engine power]
22:16:04.1 HOT-1 gear down...loc's alive.
22:16:06.2 CAM [sound similar to landing gear handle movement]
22:16:06.4 APP Colgan thirty four zero seven contact tower one two zero
point five. have a good night.
22:16:07.4 CAM [sound similar to landing gear deployment]
22:16:11.5 RDO-2 over to tower you do the same thirty four zero seven.
22:16:14.9 HOT [sound of two double chimes]
22:16:21.2 HOT-2 gear's down.
22:16:23.5 HOT-1 flaps fifteen before landing checklist.
22:16:26.0 CAM [sound similar to flap handle movement]
22:16:26.6 HOT-2 uhhh.
22:16:27.4 CAM [sound similar to stick shaker lasting 6.7 seconds]
22:16:27.7 HOT [sound similar to autopilot disconnect horn repeats until
end of recording]
22:16:27.9 CAM [sound of click]
22:16:31.1 CAM [sound similar to increase in engine power]
22:16:34.8 HOT-1 Jesus Christ.
22:16:35.4 CAM [sound similar to stick shaker lasting until end of recording]
22:16:37.1 HOT-2 I put the flaps up.
22:16:40.2 CAM [sound of two clicks]
22:16:42.2 HOT-1 [sound of grunt] *ther bear.
22:16:45.8 HOT-2 should the gear up?
22:16:46.8 HOT-1 gear up oh #.
22:16:50.1 CAM [increase in ambient noise]
22:16:51.9 HOT-1 we're down.
22:16:51.9 CAM [sound of thump]
22:16:52.0 HOT-2 we're [sound of scream]
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